A last minute literally 0815 job, so no time to tell anyone.
It was great with Pink Barred Sallows (at least 6), Autumnal Rustic (at least 5 or 6), a Angle Shades (came closeby and settled on a tree) and lots and lots of underwings!! plus other stuff not yet identified.
Ina and Jim, You should be in for a real treat on Saturday...
Heres the stuff from last night, any help with identifications always welcome.
The Angle Shades, 79,78,77,76,75,74. you know about. Lesser Yellow Underwing, 92,86,85. Pink-barred Sallow, 80,81,82. I think . The peculiar shaped one on 96,97,98. Looks interesting, nearest I could find was Double Kidney which is in parts of Lancashire, but local.
Think you are right about tonight Bryan, sorting them out after may take a while though.
Hi Ina, Yes I have come up with the same as you. The small one is very interesting and I can see why you mention Double Kidney, I will have a look at this later and it does have some similarities. Others I have come up with since loading the pics are: Common Marbled Carpet.
I think the small one you mention (96-98) is probably a tortrix of some kind. Looking on the uk moths site nearest I can get is Rhomboid Tortrix - see photo at http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=245 Probably worth sending a photo to county recorder.
Here are my thoughts: 15 - water boatman 17,20,21,30,80,81,82 - Pink-barred Sallow 31,32,33,44,57,58,59 - either Dark Marbled or Common Marbled Carpet 45,61,65,66,46,47,49,50 - Autumnal Rustic 51,48,112,113 - Large Yellow Underwing 52,63,64,70,85,86,92,111 - Lesser Yellow Underwing 54, 55, 102 - Pug species 62, 87 - possibly Square-spot Rustic 68,69 - Common or Lesser Common Rustic 71,72,73 - Small Phoenix 74-79 - Angle Shades 83,84,103,116 - Grey Pine Carpet ? 95 - a tortrix 96-98 - Possible Rhomboid Tortrix
Hi Bryan - I just found something very similar to the one we were calling Rhomboid Tortrix in Chinery's book on Insects (p 127 in my copy). It is Acleris emargana and there is a photo of it on UK Moths: http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?id=377
Hi Jim, Yes I also was looking at this simply because of the shape (which there is a example under tortrix in UK Moths. The shape in particular seems so unusual and this particular species certainly seems similar. But the markings seem far out at first checks. I will have another look at this shortly. Perhaps I might even put it on the moth yahoo site and see what they come up with. I will keep you posted and thank you.
Hi Jim, I have just put it on UK Moths (yahoo group) and already had this reply, which confirms your suspicions, however I personally am not up to doing dissections to check out the sub family - heres details etc:
Re: [ukmoths] New file uploaded to ukmoths
Until very recently this would have been definitely Acleris emargana, but there is now a close relative, A. effractana, only reliably separable by genitalia.
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ukmoths group.
File : /00_ID/DSCF0098 (Medium).JPG Uploaded by : birderbryan <bryan@...> Description : Identification required - I think it maybe Tortrix or Acleris - It came to light in shrub wooded area about one week ago in Lancashire any help with id would be much appreciated.
A letter sent to Charlie from Steve Palmer with further identifications from the list:
Message Received: Sep 11 2007, 08:27 PM From: "Steve Palmer" .palmer12@btopenworld.com> To: charlesapayne@fsmail.net Cc: "Chris Darbyshire" .moth1@btopenworld.com> Subject: Re: Micros i d
Hi Charles,
Thanks for the site reference for the records. Would it be at all possible to supply any grid refs to six figures for the locations of the sightings. There are some brilliant moths but in order for them to be of value to the county recording scene we would need grid refs to enable them to be placed on the database.
The postings you sent are Acleris emargana (the one with the indented wing) and probably (but not 100% sure) Swammerdamia pyrella
The postings of the large number of photos by birderbryan from top o'the'slate were in order of appearance:
Grey Pine Carpet
Large Yellow Underwing
Square-spot Rustic
a possible Common Rustic - but too worn to be sure
a possible Small Square-spot - but too worn to be sure
Willow Beauty
Rhopobota naevana
Common Marbled Carpet - two different forms
Lesser Yellow Underwing
Pink-barred Sallow
Angle Shades
Small Phoenix
Autumnal Rustic
Double Kidney was mentioned in some of the correspndence and Ina reported it as occuring in Lancs. As far as the county recorder is aware it has not been noted on other than two occasions in the 1800s on the coast near Fomby. If there are more recent records myslef or Chris Darbyshire would be really keen to have details of this.
Re Double Kidney - Ipimorpha reusa. Just goes to show you can't always believe what you read in books. From Waring and Townsend field guide. Quote:- "Status and distribution. Resident. Local. Mainly in southern and south-west England and Wales, where it is quite well distributed but seldom numerous. Very local through the Midlands and East Anglia to Lancashire and Yorkshire. Local and rare on Man."
I took this to mean they have occured in Lancs and Yorks, in the last couple of hunderd years!! Reading it again though, 'up to' Lancs and Yorks may be what is ment. I'll keep trying.
